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Punishments for Law-Breakers?
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(04-21-2011, 08:41 PM)davidPeterson Wrote:
(04-21-2011, 03:00 PM)Director Michael Wrote: At Mount Sinai, G-d established within the Torah of Moses that each of the 7 Noahide Commandments includes some aspect of severe transgression that will make the deliberate Gentile transgressor liable to death by the hand of G-d.

Ok understood. Capital punishment is applicable in any of the 7 laws. It's up to the Noahide court to decide. And if there is a problem with interpretation then a rabbinical oversight body can be consulted is that correct?

Rather, Gentile societies have freedom of choice to adopt or not adopt laws consistent with the Noahide Code, and they have freedom of choice to accept the Torah-based, or other, penalties for violations of those precepts. The caveat is that it is a serious sin when a Gentile government adopts capital punishment for actions that are not capital sins, or very close to capital sins, within the Noahide Code. For example, if, G-d forbid, a government decreed capital punishment for slaughtering an animal for food, that law would constitute sinful rebellion against G-d.

(04-21-2011, 08:41 PM)davidPeterson Wrote:
(04-21-2011, 03:00 PM)Director Michael Wrote: If there was a Torah-based court that was so empowered by the law of the land (which has not existed in the world for more than at least 1,040 years), such a court had G-d's permission to carry out this punishment if the transgressor was tried and convicted in a proper trial (in which he had ample opportunity to defend his case). We do not expect this to happen at any time in the future, because the Messianic Era is immanent, and in that blessed time, no one will feel any temptation to commit such transgressions.

Ok I fully understand that Sir...but some will ask me...what is the point in having the law to establish courts of justice to enforce the Noahide commandments if everyone is going to accept and abide by the commandments? How do I counter that kind of question?

Please see this synopsis of a talk by the Rebbe that answers this:

http://www.sie.org/library/article_cdo/a...1-1991.htm

(04-21-2011, 08:41 PM)davidPeterson Wrote:
(04-21-2011, 03:00 PM)Director Michael Wrote: The Noahide you mentioned, who made that statement on that forum, was probably unaware or in denial of the fact that the Noahide Commandments only exist within the context of the Torah of Moses that was given by G-d at Mount Sinai. For more information, see "The Divine Code," by Rabbi Moshe Weiner: https://asknoah.org/books/the-divine-code

I'm afraid I don't have a credit card to buy the book Sir. Most embarrassing...sorry.

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(04-21-2011, 08:41 PM)davidPeterson Wrote: Can you expand on this statement please:

"the fact that the Noahide Commandments only exist within the context of the Torah of Moses that was given by G-d at Mount Sinai."

...I don't really understand.

The world has no knowledge of Noah (the son of Lamech), the 10th generation descendant of Adam and Hava (Eve), and of the Divine Commandments that he and Adam received from the G-d of Israel, other than through the Written and Oral dimensions of the Torah of Moses. Nor are the practical details of these Divine Commandments known or properly observed (including with the Divine promise of eternal reward) other than through the Written and Oral dimensions of the Torah of Moses.
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Messages In This Thread
Punishments for Law-Breakers? - by davidPeterson - 04-04-2011, 04:28 AM
RE: Punishments? - by Director Michael - 04-10-2011, 03:15 PM
RE: Punishments? - by davidPeterson - 04-20-2011, 12:40 AM
RE: Punishments? - by Director Michael - 04-21-2011, 03:00 PM
RE: Punishments? - by davidPeterson - 04-21-2011, 08:41 PM
RE: Punishments? - by Director Michael - 04-29-2011, 12:09 AM
RE: Punishments? - by Director Michael - 07-02-2011, 04:58 AM
RE: Punishments? - by brandynpublic - 12-09-2011, 06:15 PM
RE: Punishments? - by Director Michael - 12-14-2011, 11:25 AM
RE: Punishments for Law-Breakers? - by amenyahu - 03-16-2013, 07:17 AM
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