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I read the above taking note of the advice that was given. Over the past weeks I've been looking into government and what money actually is or how it is generated. I've been looking into the way how the governments of the western culture rules in comparison to the noahide laws. I've taken careful note of the response. e.g.,

"There are powers which G-d *grants* to a proper Jewish king who rules over the Jewish people in righteousness, in accordance with the Jewish commandment to appoint and accept a Torah-observant and G'd-fearing king. Logically, other ruling governments are permitted to assume similar powers as accepted by their citizens, if the powers are used legally (in accordance with the laws of the land) and without violating the basic Seven Noahide Commandments. Obviously, properly administered, permitted taxation by the government is not in the category of theft."

"On the contrary - the Torah definitely grants extra powers to judges (under Torah-based government) that the people aren't granted."

This doesn't count for the current governments. Or in other words, this excludes most governments, especially the well-known ones like the USA and UK. The governments of today violate the basic noahide laws. Extra powers are given to Torah based governments, which aren't around today.

I've seen the powers of government and heard of them: extorting, making people into nothing more than serfs, taking people's property and children even when the parents haven't physically or verbally abused the child, basically doing away with the Dinim law with a lot of their practices as well as spitting on the rest of the commands.

I question whether "dina d'melchuta dina" is part of the Noahide laws of Dinim as opposed to being a rabbinical law upon Jews when they are in foreign lands.

If taxes are being used by an unjust government for unjust purposes, e.g, clearing imagined national debts, funding unjust wars, making laws that make the Noahide laws illegal (i.e. capital punishment) and which legalize illegal acts according to the Noahide laws, it does not seem right to back such a government with one's funds if it is possible. In light of an unjust government, it is unwise to simply say "go with the flow or move" as in these gentile lands there are few places to move to. In the place of evil, I believe, integrity with cunning is needed, integrity in keeping the noahide laws, but cunning to find the weaknesses in the system and exploit them, using the laws and loopholes of the government to neuter them as much as possible. That's until we can find a way to topple it or change it. Unfortunately the faux-"democratic" system is powerless to change the government when the only options given is essentially the same thing.

That's my opinion
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Taxation - by Zulske - 03-08-2012, 01:28 PM
RE: Taxation - by Rabbi Moshe Weiner - 03-09-2012, 04:36 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-09-2012, 04:42 AM
RE: Taxation - by Zulske - 03-09-2012, 05:47 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-13-2012, 11:15 AM
RE: Taxation - by Mattityahu ben Noach - 03-15-2012, 04:44 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-16-2012, 06:44 PM
RE: Taxation - by Zulske - 03-17-2012, 05:04 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 03-20-2012, 04:48 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 03-28-2013, 01:54 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 04-10-2013, 03:18 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 04-16-2013, 11:34 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 04-17-2013, 06:52 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 04-24-2013, 05:08 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 04-27-2013, 07:14 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 05-03-2013, 11:47 PM
RE: Taxation - by Rabbi Moshe Weiner - 05-08-2013, 03:27 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 05-08-2013, 09:27 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 05-08-2013, 06:04 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 05-10-2013, 10:45 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 05-18-2013, 10:11 AM
Dinim: Courts or Government - by amenyahu - 07-08-2013, 09:00 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-09-2013, 12:08 AM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 07-09-2013, 12:59 AM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-10-2013, 03:53 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 07-13-2013, 05:53 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-14-2013, 07:44 PM
RE: Taxation - by amenyahu - 07-14-2013, 09:21 PM
RE: Taxation - by Director Michael - 07-21-2013, 07:04 PM
RE: Taxation - by cheryl - 10-19-2013, 10:15 PM

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